Also, Sentricon has many University studies proving its efficacy. Fipronyl, the active ingredient, kill s termites and also has a transfer effect that is passed from worker termites to the colony. Also, warranties may exclude formosan termites, not transfer to any subsequent owner, and the renewal fee can increase at any time and by any percentage. Let me clarify my statements I know that termites are attracted to wood once they find it, especially a soft wood that holds moisture. Any advice about warranties on Thermidor? Over time as the termite activity has disappeared the extra bait stations were removed. Any recommendations? However, we believe this may result in lesser quality treatments and may become unintentional shortcuts within the industry. Do you think it would be feasible for me to persuade a local company to use Altriset for the first time for my application? That is what they do, they continuously forage seeking out cellulose and moisture. This substance is passed around the colony by the termites, and keeps them from properly molting. I have tried to educate consumers about the difference between the two products. Then, take a look at the section on the product label where it talks about first aid measures: What you just read about these first aid measures is unbelievable and I know of no other termite treatment product that even comes close to this level of safety. I own a family-owned pest management firm in Kansas City and have personally been doing pest management since June of 1969. I have listened to the pros and cons of both termidor and sentricon. What is your investment, 50 dollars and thirty minutes? In fact, most of these sprayers deliver less pressure than a standard water hose! Termidor is labeled for indoor use if youre drilling an interior expansion joint or foaming a termite infested wall. Our typical recommendation is to use Termidor HE in tiled areas and SC for the rest as a cost effective and practical alternative. I removed all visable damage and insects and proceeded to remodel the basement. Now after owning a small business for several years and asking several bait manufacturers why they are spreading the bait checks out so far they have all gave me the same answer ,,,, It has nothing to do with quality and is being done because of pressure from the big companies to save money on manpower I have been told this now from every manufacturer . They dont want to pull up the deck or want us to drill a patio. In fact, within a couple years, Sentricon will be labeled for annual (once a year) inspections, rather than quarterly. The active component Chlorantraniliprole does not affect pets or humans negatively. Anything to get out of paying. If it didnt, we wouldnt risk our reputations or the cost of callbacks using it. So when a station is costing $10 and the bait tubes cost $15 to the vendor, they will think twice about putting in extra stations or bait tubes. There are lots of pest control people like Cade out there. The home had been treated previously, I was about 1 yr outside the warranty. When they inject termidor 4 feet down, how close will it be the polypipe? But, moving on from the patenting issue, what is exactly the difference between Termidor HE and Termidor SC? First of all, Advance is an old technology (9-10 yrs?). Well, I can call him a nut, because I know him personally. Interesting reading. They just switched me to bait in every station now and I can only think it will work even better. WebTermidor is not systemic and does not affect plant life around your home. Its okay to push Termidor. I dont believe that considering the amount of rain that we get in the south during hurricane season. He favors termindor but didnt want to use it with a fieldstone foundation. Termidor HE termiticide treatment is 50% more time-efficient than conventional termiticides, Time and Motion Study, Arizona, 2014. So now the decision is back to prevention now or wait until we find termites closer to the house. Thanks. I know its a bit late for some of the previous questions, but maybe it will help down the line. Ill tell you how. Does it seem reasonable to trust the research results for Altrisets effectiveness (which appear very good), given my concern with potential for pet or human exposure to Termidor? The active termites in the house (which I have) appear to be ignored by Terminix and expect that over time they will be eliminated by the Sentricon system, which probably could take months. The one I worked at was very fair and honest, and our branch manager really took the customer service a step above, which is why it angers me to know there are Orkin branches doing shady stuff like that. Even though these termiticides are non-repellant, they inhibit the feeding for the Sentricon bait. It is higher than any prices mentioned above. All of this changed in the early 1990's when it was found that lower PSI did a better job of dispersing chemicals with reduced "drift" and mess. Your home is now being protected year round with active bait. Termidor - (Fipronyl) is widely used for termite control and is the most popular termiticide in the USA. If you are reading this thread and are just looking for answers to your questions. I dont belong to the state or national pest assoc..They seem to be controled by the 2 biggest contributers , that being Orkin and Terminix. Look atyour paperwork. (old exit holes in a ceiling tile on one end of house only) The company also wants to put the liquid Termidor inside in the bathtub drain traps, they said it would stay there for 20 years. 1) Termidor is safe around kids and pets. I bought a house last year, the house was previously treated for termites 5 years ago, in the inspector said that there were no active termites at the moment I bought the house. Termindor treatment only for the exterior walls, he didnt recommend Sentricon as we have active termite activity. For another opinion, I would go to the National Pest Management Association site (you can google it). In Mississippi, the most difficult site for a termiticide, Altriset has achieved 100% control for nine straight years. It is regarded as the most effective termite chemical available and used by almost all Pest Control companies. When termites eat Termidor treated It gives some people a peace of mind that they immediately stopped the termites with the Termidor, but didnt resort to the large quantity of chemicals around the rest of the home. I am concerned about those pipes and even damage to the pool. And I would agree with Jim on the Advance bait stations. Personally, I trust Imidacloprid more from a health standpoint. Standard and safe. If we treat now, the workers will stir up a ton of dust (Termidor sticks to soil) which will pose a danger to workers and us, and spread the poison around the surface of our property. The Orkin man told me that they were the highest in the business. Dan, just be careful buying Termidor online.There is alot of counterfeit being sold online and E-Bay is full of it..You can get it from one of those doityourselfpestcontrol.com sites, but once you buy enough to do it right youll have almost as much in it as if you had paid a pro. Thanks. They only do Termidor. Even if they eat the bait, it might not even be the same colony of termites eating the home, and might not even destroy the colony anyway. KA, one of the doityourself sites has videos on how to install and maintain bait stations. Specifically in what manner is it more environmentally friendly and in what manner is Termidor not environmentally friendly? Advance is usually more expensive too, because the label for Advance states that it needs to be checked at least 3 times per year. Is there any truth to this? two days later, another swarm out from another location nearby. This is fact. The GFI then plugs into any 110V wall plug. They offer both Sentricon and Termidor. I dont work for Dow and never have, but I have been in the business for 41 years and have used Chlordane, Aldrin, Sentricon, Dursban TC, Termidor. I live in NE Fl and I just found termites (flying) in my house (outdoor patio, none found inside). Our company has been in business for over 34 years and licensed in SC, FL, GA , and TN. They use the electronic monitoring system. Enough with the immature pissing matches and conspiracy theories. If we wait until after the work is done, wont we be disturbing the existing termite tunnels and causing them to relocate, thus ruining our best chance of targeting their most active location? Upon reading Company A proposal, it states that It is understood and agreed that this guarantee covers the native Subterranean termite only and excludes the Formosan Subterranean termite, the non-subterranean (Kalotermitidae, hodotermitidae, and rhinotermitdae) and all other wood destroying insects and organisms.. I have no experience with Termidor but I would recommend Sentricon 100 percent. You may have mentioned the state(s) you work in but could you repeat for my benefit what hands-on experience you have with using baits in cold climates as far north as zone 2-3 (I live right close to the SD/ND border). The attic is unfinished and gets below freezing during the winter. Meanwhile the termite colony is still eating a pound of wood per day at that home until, by chance, they happen upon a bait station. Annual monitoring thereafter should run about $259 $320 per year.. Sorry if thats a stupid question, but well, I dont know anything about this.n everyone OS talking about treatment after the fact. That is like saying humans arent attracted to food. You sure proved me wrong with all that evidence! Without having any other bids for Termidor, what should be a reasonable cost?? 3) The company that treated you home will probably come back and inspect free whenever you have a concern. The techs have said that the foundation of the home is before you step out onto the tiled-in porch and if we use the Termidor treatment theyd have to drill into the tiles (splitting them) to get the liquid along the porch area/foundation (about 10ft by 10ft). It is classified as a reduced-risk formula and does not harm the environment, needs no safety equipment and poses no health risks to humans or pets. Ive found a couple of sites like domyownpestcontrol, etc that look legit. First you put in the tubes with some tasty wood and have to monitor for activity monthly. Murphys Law prevails. 2) Novaflumuron is the active ingredient in the newest incarnation on Sentricon. Ron- you are right that 15 years ago, termites preferred the wood over the bait. high foundation, with a couple of basement windows with lower sills. Too much work for an old man. Was this answer helpful to you? Thanks Jim for your imput. Roots to Road - Shipping Stressing You Out? After reading back my post, I realise I mentioned an ant pile.. so thats not termites will Termidor take care of them though? It is not to impressive to see a grown man acting on his emotions, so I will end this for your sake. As these creatures are hard to notice, many people find the infestation when it is too late. His spot treatment for the basement would be contained to the area where the posts were removed. And, since we started using Sentricon (we use Termidor too), our damage claims are ZERO, for the past 15 years. The crawlspace gives access to most of the underside of the house but there are some areas that would have to be sprayed from a distance of 20 ft away or more. Something smells fishy to me. 1.1 g/cm3 ( 20 C) Vapour density: not applicable Partitioning coefficient n-octanol/water (log Pow): not applicable WebHere are the 5 best termite killers available on the market right now: Taurus SC: Most Popular Bifen XTS : Best Fast-acting Spectracide Terminate: Best Bait Termidor Foam: Best Direct Chemical Treatment BioAdvanced Termite Killer: Best for DIY Best Overall 5/5 Request Inspection 866-569-4035 Save $50 on a recurring pest control plan today! Probably the best advice I have read on this forum is to choose a good, quality, pest control company and avoid the cheaper fly by nights. Liquid Chemical Barriers for subterranean termite control work by killing or repelling termites before they enter the structure. Youll also be happy to learn that this lowtoxic product is virtually odor free! They both work equally (about 98-99% effective). The polymer then dissipates and thus allows the fipronil to bind to the soil. They also have the most respected entomologist on the planet advising them. During the one hot night this season, I saw 4 flying termites in the house. I dont know how much dues are, but there are over 4,000 members of the National Pest Management Assn. Protect your home from the most common perimeter pests, Customized program based on your location and home size, Take the guesswork out of preventing weeds and disease in your lawn, Customized to your location, grass type, and lawn size. Firstline is a stomach poison, it can reduce the colony size , but not eliminate. And the Sentricon Above ground station hands down also works great! If you are going to keep a bait service you need to find someone who will do monthly or bi-monthly service, quarterly and tri-annual is a complete and total rip-off unless ALL stations are PRE-BAITED-.. Termites will clean out the wood monitors easily in less than 2 months. On Sunday, however, we saw a swarm of several dozen swarmers, which are hiding in the wood paneling on our front stoop. Therefore, I have no ammo in an argument about the efficacy of one product/treatment vs. another product/treatment. Termidor does spread much better than any other non-repellent. With more than 20 years of research and 16 years of market performance, Termidor termiticide is the most trusted name in termite control. It has the same active ingredient (Fipronil) as Frontline Flea and Tick control, which is safe to apply directly to your animals skin. The Termidor is a very safe product as well. Termidor has no color, taste, odor or fumes and is easily transmitted through feeding and grooming from termite to termite. If they are a member of the association, they probably have a good reputation and have been around awhile. I don\\\t know who to believe. you name it, Ive used it. If you do decide to use baits please choose a company that does monthly or no more than bi-monthly service, any thing more than that you might as well burn your money. & Price Match Guarantee - Details, ePestSupply Both products work great. The active ingredient is chlorantraniliprole. I live in south Mississippi. Should I request a full treatment with termidor now while still keep those sentricon stations? They have no business doing shady garbage like that. For prevention baits can be a better choice. No treatment will be necessary in the inside. To be clear, the guy who did the treatment stood in my basement and drilled holes parallel to the ground through the cinderblock walls into the dirt around the basement walls in addition to walking the perimeter of the house and drilling down into the ground. Termite Inspection Orange County Termite Terry Pest Control, Costa Mesa, Newport Beach, Huntington Beach, South Orange County, Long Beach Area. I will let everyone know the results, as we can see where they are tunneling and where they are initiating from. While this method is preferred for its non-toxicity, safety and environment friendliness, there are questions about its effectiveness. Is it Time for a Rodent Program Check-up? Im still on the fence between Termidor vs. Sentricon but I feel more educated having read these comments. Id think that there would be huge lawsuits if that were the case. BOTH methods work. A lot of Pest Management professionals that didnt get chosen as a Sentricon dealer say detrimental things about it because they are mad about not being chosen. Id like to shop for a new Sentricon provider, but does Sentricon grant only one license to a city? They serve different purposes. It tackles a few issues which comes with Termidor SC. Termidors active ingredient, Fipronil, is the same ingredient used in many flea and tick control products like Frontline. With a liquid, or a liquid plus bait, you can rest assured that termites will be eliminated from your home. As far as The 2 major companys you keep talking about, they are like dirty used car salesmans. You may believe that you have a repair warranty with a company but if you read the fine print LIVE TERMITES MUST BE FOUND IN THE WOOD AND NEW DAMAGE DOES NOT CONSTITUTE LIVE TERMITES. They dont work period. I have learned that enough chemical in one tube to wipe out a colony. Questions? Approximately, a 34 oz bottle of altriset is available at $75 to $80. Regarding safety of Altriset EPA does not require any warning or caution labeling, which is quite rare. Effective Termidor eliminates termites several ways. If you have a termite infestation in your home right now, go with a liquid treatment. I live in South Georgia. It has a strong smell that pests may detect and does not show a transfer effect. GFI's are especially useful when drilling inside slab foundations near plumbing lines. Is there a best time of year to do wither termidor liquid or sentricon baits. I really have a problem with Diaflubenzeron as the active ingredient, My company at one time was the largest Exterra operator on the East Coast of Fl. The best advice to consumers is dont get rushed into any company or brand, and do some local research among friends and family and neighbors . It was first introduced in the United States in 2000. The plastic tubes are found by scanning for a chip, so can be covered over by grass or landscaping. It controls the infestation totally in three months. It is non-toxic for humans, pets, or other insects, and has a long-term effect. Yes I blame Terminix not Termidor which is for the most part a bullet proof product . !Sentricon does contaminate your soil every time it rains! Now, the Terminix rep is pushing for a treatment ( 26 yrs, etc. But, like you said Jay, they find cellulose by forging. That means they could completely miss a bait station and get inside your home! That means termites cannot see, smell, taste, or avoid it. Only authorized operators can install Sentricon. Mostly because they are mostly controlled by Orkin and Terminix here in WV,they both have honorary VP seats .I have never been turned down by Dow/Sentricon, I turned them down! It is water soluble, and less enduring in wet soils. I know what I have seen, and I know what has worked for me. I do not change my position. Sentricon can not be purchased on line. Never wears off. Every study I have seen all say that within 90 days of a treatment with Termidor there is no living termites within an acre of the average size home. I have had a Sentricon system for about 5 years. When termites eat Termidor treated We are located across the street from the gulf. It is true that hundreds of gallons will be used, but most of that is water. I like the fact that the active ingredient in Sentricon is a chiton inhibitor whereas Termidor uses a nerve agent. We didnt get termites either place. We found one mud tunnes coming in near a basement window right next to the stoop. Also, are Termidor and Sentricon the best two systems out there? We have gotten estimates for both the chemical treatment using terminador from co A and premise from co b. I have seen many jobs that take 30 40 bait tubes. Schedule your free inspection, Termite Terry Pest Control The mud tunnels are in the boiler room leading up from the joint between the floor and the wall (poured concrete), about 4 ft below grade. The house just got a clean bill of health from two different exterminators. I have had a complete Termidor treatment, and they have done an interior dusting twice, including drilling in under my tub deck in the master and shooting the dust there. You can eat as much as you like. Ants swarm sometimes too. We bought some permetrin to spray them as we removed the rest. Can someone out there please help advise us with an unbiased opinion that would benefit us and not the pest company. Should I go with the bait system. Sorry, I left out the most important part of the message! With Advance (and all the other bait products out there), the pest company pays piecemeal (approx $10 per station and $20 per bait tube). I only have to pay $262.50, which is a 10% increase. Price for the Sentricon should be about $700 $1,000 for installation and 1 year of monitoring. All Animal Care , Shop All I am concern with roof damage. Sentricon is more environmentally friendly. No treatment will be needed inside the house. Cheaper companies are not always better, so read your contract before signing. The Sentricon bait tubes are made different now. Your well is safe. Over time, this kind of termite treatment has the potential to kill the entire colony. Drilling will almost always leak. To JJ: The newer claim was made by a company that can provide either Sentricon or Advance, but says they are moving to Advance unless a customer specifies Sentricon, because they believe the technology works better. Shallower minimum treatment depths provide additional time and chemical savings on structures with deep footers. Id rather use both types of bait alternating in 10 feet intervals and monitor weekly. I live in New England and have owned my home for 15 years. Can you spend a little bit extra? Also Premis. Sentricon is fine to use as a stand alone treatment. I dont want to use something that will have any toxicity to my family now or in years to come, like organophosphates. However, if they are using the prior generation of Sentricon, they will need to return within 3 months to check and add bait to the infested station. It is over 98% effective, which is about the same as Termidor. It is common in homes that have had chemical treatments performed to find thousands of dead termites in walls where the termites were trapped and could not get out and simply died due to lack of moisture. Howver, 1800.00 seems like a lot of money!! I am looking at paying about $50 dollars more by using the Sentricon treatment from Company B and feel that I will be getting the protection that I need for the active termites that were found in the crawl spaces of my home. It filters automatically based on an algorithm that factors in a bunch of different things, but one of the biggest factors seems to be the inclusion of links. The rest of the basement was drywalled 2 years ago with no sign of termite activity. They treat the active infestation with Termidor or Premise. She had a swarm in the basement of her split-level house in April. After you have stopped the termites with a termiticide, it is time to go after the colony with a bait system. I worked for both for about 12 years each. Costa Mesa, CA 92627 I have no axe to grind. Anthony: It depends. The first 24 hours after the treatment, keep your kids away from the foundation wall. Talstar Professional, Prelude Termiticide / Insecticide andBifen are examples of repellent chemicals. Answer: Altriset Termiticide and Termidor SC are both used as an outdoor treatment for termites. However, when they do find the station, it will attract other termites by way of phermone interaction amongst the colony. Whats also amazing is how much damage they would have done to your home before they found it. With the new sentricon 1 bait tube will kill a small to mid-sized colony so if a large colony hits it and your checking too far apart then youve lost that hit. My neighbor paid $375/year after an installment fee of $1200. You will never get that with a liquid. Thanks for your help! We only use Termidor, we use flow meters, we foam termite infested walls, and we genuinly treat at a rate of 4 gallons per ten feet per foot of footer depth. Just think about what you just read for a minute. So, over 5 years, you would pay $1,480 with Termidor ($1,000 + 4 X $120) or $1,940 for Sentricon ($800 + 4 X $285). So far no problems. You have two choices. It works by paralyzing the mouths of termites within hours of exposure, stopping further damage immediately. Then, anytime within the year, we come back for free to inspect or treat. ?I hope the company is backing it up?? WebAltriset is a highly effective termite control product that stops the termites from feeding within hours of application. Then Terminix did an inspection, they want to charge me 1,800 and they have only the option of Termidor, the guy saw a little whole, the size of the tip of a pen and he said that it was from active termites, then I found another company: All safe pest and termite, which is BBB accredited and is part of the National Pest Management Association They came to the house, we showed the technician the little whole and he said that it was not from active termites they charge $600 they use sentricon and spot treatment with termidor if they see any active termites, they also mentioned that they have infrared camaras to see if damaged has been created by termites, do these cameras really work? I dont know who to believe. Is termidor safe enough that some seepage is no big deal? Thanks for your help! Is Sectricon something that I can check on my own after the first year or is it a system that I cant get into or that requires an electronic detector to check. We recommend Termidor SC for a termite treatment due to how long it lasts in the soil. How is there any doubt remaining that thats going to be the better deal? Any help would be appreciated. Is this correct? It also appears to us at Termite Guys Brisbane that Termidor HE in the way it is marketed comes across as less labor intensive, with less drilling, less digging and thus less work for the installer. 785 W. 17th St. Unit G It works by paralyzing the mouths of termites within hours of exposure, stopping further damage immediately. With Advance, the materials are sold piece-meal. and they have many Advanced Accounts, after servicing those accounts I feel the stations have a bad design like Exterra with allowing too much sand in the stations( soil intrusion). Termidor has to application rates. I wish you the best! We have 187 units. If youre going to get personal, do it to your spouse, not to me. Your absurd comments regarding the wood monitors is just plain wrong. Getting a system that involved Termidor and bait stations would be a great treatment as well. We find it is useful in many situations and perfect for the do it yourselfer. Dang, I keep finding false info the more I read. Both methods have a similar initial cost ($700 $1,200), but the annual renewal is usually a little higher for Sentricon (4 trips instead of 1). It is accessible from the basement and he is going to drill along the interior foundation and pump it with termidor. I have used all Termite and Pest Control products in 54 years, including hydrocarbon and organophosphate products that have been removed from the market by the EPA due to environmental pollution reasons. We just bought a home with extensive termite damage that wasnt found until after closing, despite TWO termite inspections by different companies. So Bobby, for 15 years your industry was inept by placing wooden sticks into the ground. Termidor is great. 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